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Xhamon: Renaming.

2022-09-22T20:53:16Z

Renaming.

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	== Location ==		== Location ==
	The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player can use the [[Address Disruptor]] on a [[~~Giant Greenworm~~]] in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected, or just use the [[Laser Drill]] to destroy the blocks.		The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player can use the [[Address Disruptor]] on a [[Jorm]] in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected, or just use the [[Laser Drill]] to destroy the blocks.

	== Prerequisites ==		== Prerequisites ==
	* [[Address Disruptor]] or [[Laser Drill]]		* [[Address Disruptor]] or [[Laser Drill]]
	[[Category:Notes]]		[[Category:Notes]]

Pvfa-r at 17:12, 3 December 2021

2021-12-03T17:12:12Z

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	== ~~Transcript~~ ==		[[Journal Page (Note)#Journal Page .28Uruku.29\|<- Previous Note]] \| [[Sudran Translation (Note)\|Next Note ->]]

			== Transcription ==
	''(a) All algorithms are universal and valid, regardless of whether they are executed.''		''(a) All algorithms are universal and valid, regardless of whether they are executed.''

2A01:CB08:232:4600:D9FC:1205:1976:E6C: /* About this Note */ Fixed a grammatically incorrect sentence

2018-06-06T22:57:58Z

About this Note: Fixed a grammatically incorrect sentence

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	Although Trace's paper proposed what was allegedly a new theory, the first line A can essentially be seen as just a sort of watered down Platonistic stance towards "algorithms" (which appears to refer to base natural laws and all they entail, etc) in the sense that algorithms retain the validity of their structure in all potential circumstances, even if algorithms are merely abstract rather than actually present. However, one can notice that in computer science, the term universal can also be used to refer to "Turing completeness", a property of computing systems/algorithms that is considered the ceiling of what is computationally possible within our universe. An algorithm that is universal can be used to compute any other function that is computable. So with line B it could be argued that more than Platonistic idealism, this could also be a positivistic stance by Trace, suggesting that all universes work the same, on some computational fabric, and are basically algorithms built-up of sub-algorithms, and each can be considered its own subuniverse, whether that universe be real (executed) or virtual (conceivable but not executed).		Although Trace's paper proposed what was allegedly a new theory, the first line A can essentially be seen as just a sort of watered down Platonistic stance towards "algorithms" (which appears to refer to base natural laws and all they entail, etc) in the sense that algorithms retain the validity of their structure in all potential circumstances, even if algorithms are merely abstract rather than actually present. However, one can notice that in computer science, the term universal can also be used to refer to "Turing completeness", a property of computing systems/algorithms that is considered the ceiling of what is computationally possible within our universe. An algorithm that is universal can be used to compute any other function that is computable. So with line B it could be argued that more than Platonistic idealism, this could also be a positivistic stance by Trace, suggesting that all universes work the same, on some computational fabric, and are basically algorithms built-up of sub-algorithms, and each can be considered its own subuniverse, whether that universe be real (executed) or virtual (conceivable but not executed).

	No mention of the existential "properties" of the "algorithms" is given, however, line B could suggest that they are taken to simply precede such concepts and aren't measured out to be real or nonreal. Line B could alternatively suggest a point of view akin to the Yoneda perspective in category theory, where mathematical objects are not defined by their properties, but by their relationship to one another - same with interactions between components in the universe, these components being described by the catch-all term "algorithm". In this context, line B is probably a reference to Douglas Hofstadter's ''Gödel, Escher, Bach'', the main thesis of which is that self-reference in computational/formal systems is the cause of some of the most meaningful and intractable behavior in said system. Hofstadter makes this same parallel between self-reference in logic allowing to alter the semantics of a formal system (as seen in his interpretation of the proof of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems) to self-reference in cognition ~~as we live it~~ being a way to alter the semantics of our own formal system, the mind (we are technically matter in this universe becoming aware that is it matter in this universe to better influence the flow of this parcel of the universe...).		No mention of the existential "properties" of the "algorithms" is given, however, line B could suggest that they are taken to simply precede such concepts and aren't measured out to be real or nonreal. Line B could alternatively suggest a point of view akin to the Yoneda perspective in category theory, where mathematical objects are not defined by their properties, but by their relationship to one another - same with interactions between components in the universe, these components being described by the catch-all term "algorithm". In this context, line B is probably a reference to Douglas Hofstadter's ''Gödel, Escher, Bach'', the main thesis of which is that self-reference in computational/formal systems is the cause of some of the most meaningful and intractable behavior in said system. Hofstadter makes this same parallel between ''self-reference in logic'' allowing to alter the semantics of a formal system (as seen in his interpretation of the proof of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems), and ''self-reference in cognition'' being a way to alter the semantics of our own formal system, the mind (we are technically matter in this universe becoming aware that is it matter in this universe to better influence the flow of this parcel of the universe...).

	Line C is a statement about how one can come up with a common definition of "reality" in a world where every consciousness is an isolated solipsist silo: what one calls their "reality" is necessarily the computational structure/mathematical space upon which their own "consciousness algorithm" can run. Note that the word "perceived" should be read more like "detected/understood" rather than the word "believed," and that the sentence as a whole is more or less providing a relativistic sort of definition for reality rather than asserting anything in particular as real or nonreal.		Line C is a statement about how one can come up with a common definition of "reality" in a world where every consciousness is an isolated solipsist silo: what one calls their "reality" is necessarily the computational structure/mathematical space upon which their own "consciousness algorithm" can run. Note that the word "perceived" should be read more like "detected/understood" rather than the word "believed," and that the sentence as a whole is more or less providing a relativistic sort of definition for reality rather than asserting anything in particular as real or nonreal.

2A01:CB08:232:4600:D9FC:1205:1976:E6C: /* About this Note */ I'm a mathematician/computer scientists and I felt like I saw some references in AV that the previous author of this post might have missed. I tried to make the text clear enough so that all interpretations are presented c...

2018-06-06T22:53:05Z

About this Note: I'm a mathematician/computer scientists and I felt like I saw some references in AV that the previous author of this post might have missed. I tried to make the text clear enough so that all interpretations are presented c...

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	This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.		This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.

	Although Trace's paper proposed what was allegedly a new theory, the first line A is essentially just a sort of watered down Platonistic stance towards "algorithms" (which appears to refer to base natural laws and all they entail,etc) in the sense that algorithms retain the validity of their structure in all potential circumstances, even if algorithms are merely abstract rather than actually present. However, no mention of ~~their~~ existential properties is given, ~~but~~ line B ~~suggests~~ that they are taken to simply precede such concepts and aren't measured out to be real or nonreal. Line ~~C simply follows from~~ the ~~previous~~ line (~~and for~~ this ~~reason~~ is ~~arguably too redundant~~ to ~~seriously be considered~~ an ~~axiom)~~. Note that the word "perceived" should be read more like "detected/understood" rather than the word "believed," and that the sentence as a whole is more or less providing a relativistic sort of definition for reality rather than asserting anything in particular as real or nonreal.		Although Trace's paper proposed what was allegedly a new theory, the first line A can essentially be seen as just a sort of watered down Platonistic stance towards "algorithms" (which appears to refer to base natural laws and all they entail, etc) in the sense that algorithms retain the validity of their structure in all potential circumstances, even if algorithms are merely abstract rather than actually present. However, one can notice that in computer science, the term universal can also be used to refer to "Turing completeness", a property of computing systems/algorithms that is considered the ceiling of what is computationally possible within our universe. An algorithm that is universal can be used to compute any other function that is computable. So with line B it could be argued that more than Platonistic idealism, this could also be a positivistic stance by Trace, suggesting that all universes work the same, on some computational fabric, and are basically algorithms built-up of sub-algorithms, and each can be considered its own subuniverse, whether that universe be real (executed) or virtual (conceivable but not executed).

			No mention of the existential "properties" of the "algorithms" is given, however, line B could suggest that they are taken to simply precede such concepts and aren't measured out to be real or nonreal. Line B could alternatively suggest a point of view akin to the Yoneda perspective in category theory, where mathematical objects are not defined by their properties, but by their relationship to one another - same with interactions between components in the universe, these components being described by the catch-all term "algorithm". In this context, line B is probably a reference to Douglas Hofstadter's ''Gödel, Escher, Bach'', the main thesis of which is that self-reference in computational/formal systems is the cause of some of the most meaningful and intractable behavior in said system. Hofstadter makes this same parallel between self-reference in logic allowing to alter the semantics of a formal system (as seen in his interpretation of the proof of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems) to self-reference in cognition as we live it being a way to alter the semantics of our own formal system, the mind (we are technically matter in this universe becoming aware that is it matter in this universe to better influence the flow of this parcel of the universe...).

			Line C is a statement about how one can come up with a common definition of "reality" in a world where every consciousness is an isolated solipsist silo: what one calls their "reality" is necessarily the computational structure/mathematical space upon which their own "consciousness algorithm" can run. Note that the word "perceived" should be read more like "detected/understood" rather than the word "believed," and that the sentence as a whole is more or less providing a relativistic sort of definition for reality rather than asserting anything in particular as real or nonreal.

	This is Note 18.		This is Note 18.

76.125.250.123: /* About this Note */ Explained the philosophical origins of the claims presented For future reference, Immanuel Kant has proposed rather strong arguments which claim line B is essentially backwards (google "a priori"/ Kant's philosophy of mind)

2017-03-17T04:57:09Z

About this Note: Explained the philosophical origins of the claims presented For future reference, Immanuel Kant has proposed rather strong arguments which claim line B is essentially backwards (google "a priori"/ Kant's philosophy of mind)

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	== About this Note ==		== About this Note ==
	This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.		This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.

			Although Trace's paper proposed what was allegedly a new theory, the first line A is essentially just a sort of watered down Platonistic stance towards "algorithms" (which appears to refer to base natural laws and all they entail,etc) in the sense that algorithms retain the validity of their structure in all potential circumstances, even if algorithms are merely abstract rather than actually present. However, no mention of their existential properties is given, but line B suggests that they are taken to simply precede such concepts and aren't measured out to be real or nonreal. Line C simply follows from the previous line (and for this reason is arguably too redundant to seriously be considered an axiom). Note that the word "perceived" should be read more like "detected/understood" rather than the word "believed," and that the sentence as a whole is more or less providing a relativistic sort of definition for reality rather than asserting anything in particular as real or nonreal.

	This is Note 18.		This is Note 18.

Anapan8: Those blocks can be destroyed with the Laser Drill as well

2015-12-24T09:49:31Z

Those blocks can be destroyed with the Laser Drill as well

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	== Location ==		== Location ==
	The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player ~~must~~ use the [[Address Disruptor]] on a [[Giant Greenworm]] in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected.		The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player can use the [[Address Disruptor]] on a [[Giant Greenworm]] in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected, or just use the [[Laser Drill]] to destroy the blocks.

	== Prerequisites ==		== Prerequisites ==
	* [[Address Disruptor~~\|Address Disruptor 2~~]]		* [[Address Disruptor]] or [[Laser Drill]]
	[[Category:Notes]]		[[Category:Notes]]

Anapan8 at 15:37, 23 December 2015

2015-12-23T15:37:30Z

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	== About this Note ==		== About this Note ==
	This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.		This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.

			This is Note 18.

	== Location ==		== Location ==
	The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player must use the [[Address Disruptor]] on ~~the large worms~~ in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected.		The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player must use the [[Address Disruptor]] on a [[Giant Greenworm]] in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected.

	== Prerequisites ==		== Prerequisites ==
	* [[Address Disruptor\|Address Disruptor 2]]		* [[Address Disruptor\|Address Disruptor 2]]
	[[Category:Notes]]		[[Category:Notes]]

Merksperk: /* Transcript */

2015-07-31T11:15:00Z

Transcript

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	''(b) Cognition is a sub algorithm whose behavior is to perceive properties of the parent algorithm describing it.''		''(b) Cognition is a sub algorithm whose behavior is to perceive properties of the parent algorithm describing it.''

	''(c) Any ~~algorthim~~ giving rise to cognitive entities will be perceived as reality by the entities described.''		''(c) Any algorithm giving rise to cognitive entities will be perceived as reality by the entities described.''

	== About this Note ==		== About this Note ==
	This is a purple note, written in English by an Athetos. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.		This is a purple note, written in English by Athetos or an Athetos Variant. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.

	== Location ==		== Location ==

Merksperk: /* Note type */

2015-07-31T11:12:00Z

Note type

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	''(b) Cognition is a sub algorithm whose behavior is to perceive properties of the parent algorithm describing it.''		''(b) Cognition is a sub algorithm whose behavior is to perceive properties of the parent algorithm describing it.''

	''(c) Any ~~algorthm~~ giving rise to cognitive entities will be perceived as reality by the entities described.''		''(c) Any algorthim giving rise to cognitive entities will be perceived as reality by the entities described.''

	~~== Note type ==~~
	~~This is a purple note, and written in English by (an) Athetos.~~

	== About this Note ==		== About this Note ==
	This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up.		This is a purple note, written in English by an Athetos. This is the only Note that triggers a cutscene when you pick it up. This Note may have some relation to the Rusalka [[Veruska\|Veruska's]] ability to manipulate the mind and create dream world algorithms.

	== Location ==		== Location ==
	The Note ~~titled "'''Axiom 1'''"~~ can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room ~~just~~ to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player must use the [[Address Disruptor]] on the large worms in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected.		The Note can be found in the middle of [[Edin]], in the tall room to the left of the large [[Rusalki]] room where you get the [[Address Bomb]]. The player must use the [[Address Disruptor]] on the large worms in the room to get them to break open a wall so that the Note can be collected.

	== Prerequisites ==		== Prerequisites ==
	* [[Address Disruptor\|Address Disruptor 2]]		* [[Address Disruptor\|Address Disruptor 2]]
	[[Category:Notes]]		[[Category:Notes]]

KosnIre: Added About, Location, and Prerequisites

2015-07-30T22:38:06Z

Added About, Location, and Prerequisites

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 == Note type ==
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